A FEW YEARS AGO A CITY ELECTRIC INSPECTER TOLD ME SOMETHING THAT REALLY WORKS. I was told that I have 60 days trial and could return it back within 60 if I choose to, but that is not true. Installing a water heater replacement costs between $845 and $1,698, or an average of $1,271, for a tank-based unit and labor. That was going to be a total of 5-6 zones. Sorry about the math confusion, but I really did mean cubic feet, not square feet. The square feet/cubic feet issue comes from EdenPURE ads from a few years ago when I wrote the original article. Al Metcalf if you want to call them stupid go right ahead anyone with half a brain can debunk your hair dryer vs heat gun theory. That is the real savings. Look at fuel price comparisons, you'll see that electric heat is by far the most expensive. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. A $50.00 Lasko has the exact same efficiency as its EP $450.00 counterpart. I will check the duct for cracks and insulation and if I want to get cheaper, I'll look into the Sun. They basically cut our heating bills in half and keep us nice and warm during the cold Pennsylvania winter nights. For under $100, you can buy a better-looking, better-built heater that will serve your needs for years to come. ft house that you keep at 70 degrees during the winter. I live on a mountain in Colorado. Determine the average temperature for the coldest month of pool use. It's clear that you have not only taken the bait, but swallowed the hook. ", They would be dedicated to making sure the expectations of an ongoing pleasant experience that is designed into the commercial would be realized to the end of product life. Best of luck. All EdenPURE does is dress it up and jack the price to the stratosphere. The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently. This listing includes patent applications that are pending as well as patents that have already been granted by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). long time no see stevo it took me ages to find it this is there contact, and some info ,ring them for advice ,say mick give you there number. You are not saving money because the Eden Pure heater is an amazingly efficient heat source, it is because you are not heating the whole house to as high of a temperature. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. Im just another sucker. Turned on in December. So does anything else that uses 1500W of electricity, such as a $15 bathroom heater or a 1500W blow hair dryer. Yes but they are ugly units and they both worked. We. This Ken guy below me is an idiot and so are all those so called engineers that claim you get the same heat from any 1500 watt heater. The only way it would have is if I used it exactly like the Eden Pure is supposed to be used. Are the so called experts on here thick or something. You get what you pay for, and many manufactured homes do not put the quality into their heating systems, ductowrk, etc. I own a 500 and a 1000,I have breathing problems,used kerosene heaters and about died,plus it cost me $90 or more to warm and leave my house and clothes reeking of kerosene oil!I used the 500 watt in fairly cold weather. Whether it saves more money than all the others is not the issue. I see the infomercial all over DirecTV. Answer: You will need to review your homeowner's policy to see if this heater is covered. Heat Pumps are the most cost saving product other than using a fireplace.The japanese use several heatpumps to heat their homes they use one system for living room another for bedrooms this helps lower energy bills. Everything is on the website and on the adverts. So, for those looking for a way to reduce your bills, why don't you have your attic better insulated, replace your windows (if needed), and have a new heating unit or units installed, finance it all, and pay the extra on the payments instead of on the extra electricity you are using now. Many times, the ductwork system in these homes are the coiled ductwork types that gets holes poked in it, or is otherwise leaky ductwork. Thank you guys for the info, I was just about to order an Eden Pure, uffff going to walmart to buy a Lasko or anything else like it. That's right. It is a 20 x 15, a pretty decent size room. However, your actual price will depend largely on the size and type of heater you choose. I don't know about most of you, but in the coldest 3 months of the year here, my bill runs over $500. For now it has a basic menu of hamburgers & wings. I have not used it consistently 24 hours a day. Depending on how long you allow your electric heater to run during the colder winter months, you could see an increase in your electricity usage, along with a higher electricity bill. I can prove that is nonsense in 3 seconds in my house. Qualifying programs are: Capacity Bidding Program (CBP)* - available for residential customers. Every one I talked to loves there eden pure I going to get one this weekend worth it. Electric heating is a process in which electrical energy is converted directly to heat energy at around 100% efficiency, [contradictory] using rather cheap devices. Actual energy savings from high efficiency water heaters depend on family size, heater location, and the size and placement of water pipes. The claims include: There are a few ways to use a portable electric heater to save money: Electric heaters are not an efficient way to heat a home cheaply. Square feet is the area of floor space, cubic feet is the amount of air in a room. Space heater with pretreated heat exchanger Patent number: 7046918 Ads for EdenPURE portable infrared heaters promise energy savings of up to 50 percent. So, that means 50,000 in insurance is going to cost that senior 500. a month. This article will examine the claims made by EdenPUREs manufacturer and expose their lies. Commercial Boilers. Savetech bv. Asked store manager about the eden pure heater and when we looked online, the same 1500 watt unit is rated at the same 5000+ btu's. ****. I've been in the HVAC field for 40 years. [7] Burkett said he burned the originals after faxing copies of the documents to CBS. I'll bet they had a forced-air heat pump. You just have to decide if the features of the Eden Pure are worth the extra cost over a less expensive space heater. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. It does not lie if you read carefully, but still, misdirection, celebrity endorsement, and colorful marketing meant to make the consumer believe overblown claims cannot make the EdenPURE portable electric heater anything but a scam. The first heater I got didn't run long before one of the elements went out. when you look at the other sales websites they state in stock but edenpures states out of stock so they have to make it to sell it. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems claims of a US-1000 or Gen4 having 20,000 hour bulb life contains as much truth as a politicians typical campaign speech. This has been disputed. After reading all the negative reviews posted about the Eden Pure,I called back to cancel my order. If you are going to call names and state things are scams, what do you think about these celebrities, who we would normally feel are honest, endorsing the senior life insurances they state is ONLY 9.00 per UNIT. The EP does not outperform the Lasko. Common applications include space heating, cooking, water heating and industrial processes. Signed Mad from South Dakota and hope there is some kind of class action suit taken against Eden Pure and their misleading clan. Oil heaters transfer heat by convection. Thanks for the good info that saved me. AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. What a bunch of scam artists. Suarez Corporation Industries is advertising a 20,000 hour bulb life and a 10-15 year "service" life (website, printed literature and printed on carton) for both their Edenpure US-1000 and Gen4 heaters. Those watts exactly represent the energy you will get. My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! Now she is crying the blues because she could have applied the outrageous price of the heaters and their exhorbitant use of electricity, to her regular heat bill. Even a child knows that hot air rises. Certainly the bedrooms are cooler, but remember it is a zone heater not meant to warm the entire area of 1250 sq ft, although the bedrooms are not cold. Of course, they are not as pretty, and being a woman I do want my house pretty, but again if I can save that much money by not using the air until it hits 80 in the house (and BTW the a/c does not stay on long with the fans on). Burgers were wonderfully juicy, with the buns toasted on the flat top before assembly, so we got the full old fashioned greasy, buttery effect. I have a completely electric home and wanted to reduce my electric bill as it is very high now. They make for a much more comfortable room than ceiling fans. Placed an order for the Eden Pure Gen 4 after watching an TV commercial. I bought 2 refurbished EP heaters 8 years ago and both are still working just fine. Heat from #2 fuel oil burning furnace will cost you $33.25 for 1 million btus, if you are paying $3.58 per gallon. I purchased a gen4 2 months ago and could not find I was saving any money since Im all electric.I have notified the co I want to return the heater for a refund and they keep giving me the run around about sending me an RMA and the prepaid UPS slip to ship the unit back to them.after reading some of the other complaints I'm wandering if I will ever get a slip. However, the radiant barrier can't be sandwiched between two objects as the contact point transfers heat away quite nicely. Plugged it in and it ran for about 3 minutes and died. Bill Burr announced spring and summer North American dates for his Live Nation produced 2022 arena and amphitheater tour, Bill Burr (Slight Return), visiting 23 cities from April through August including Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse on April 23, 2022. Amazon has some of the best prices on heaters and ships right to your door. Most of these testimonials are not of much use. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 13, 2011: Thanks for the comment, ritamarie. We bought an Eden Pure Gen 1000 a month and a half ago and lo and behold our electric company called today because they noticed a huge spike in our usage, as a matter of fact our usage has more than doubled. Cellular shades can save you as much as 20% on your energy bill, too. Space heaters cost about 20 cents per hour to operate, give or take, which is a whole lot cheaper than central heat for a home of almost any size. To reduce how much electricity or gas your hot water uses and bring your bills down, consider these tips: Turn down the thermostat: Many hot water heaters are set to 140 degrees by default, but 120 is plenty hot for most household uses, and creates less of a scalding risk. There has got to be heat loss, because travels a long distance from the furnace ouside to the farthest point. CLAIM: With other heating sources, you'll notice you get sleepy because they are burning up oxygen. They are perfect for sleeping. Before eden pure electric bill $75.00 and Propane bill (75 gals per month/2.99 = 224.25. total monthly costs $299.25, After eden pure electric bill $135.00 and Propane bill (25 gals per month/2.99= 74.75 total monthly costs $209.75, $347.00 for new Gen4, pays for self in 3.87 months, Don't care about all you "stats" just what my check book says, and it tells me the Eden Pure is working for me :))). Divide watts by 1,000 to get kilowatts per hour. Look at memy trusty Lasso heater is only $25 and can easily heat a small room. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. My house has two geothermal units in it, one went out the week of Christmas and I couldn't get anyone in to work on it. do EVERYTHING that these $400 dollar SNAKE OIL heaters do!! Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. You are just cutting costs by heating a smaller areasomething you could have done without a $400 space heater. Bill Burkett was the CBS source in the Killian documents affair of 2004. Once these last bulbs burn out, I will no longer use this over priced heater. About 8 years ago, I got an estimate for ZONE HEATING for my home including the garage. Unh uh !! I am glad you enjoy your EdenPURE heater. You also only heat one room so it costs over $2 per room at an 8 hour run. 3) Infrared doesn't just heat air molecules, it also heats water molecules (humidity) as it passes through an infrared heat exchanger. Now, here we have a 1500 watt that will be plugged into the same 120 outlet as the Eden Pure, yet the Eden Pure will with its 1500 watts heat up to 1000 sq ft, and this one heats 150?? Let me first say, I have been praiseing the Edenpure for about 6 years. I am very comfortable with leaving the Eden Pure on at night and while I am away so when I return, the house is not cold, plus I have the assurance that my pets are not going to be burned or turn over a smaller, lighter heater burning them and possibly burning the house down. I bought Edenpure heater in December 2010 and my january heating bill doubled, and what they sent to me is not what I ordered from them. I have used these and recommended (I'm an electrician/contractor) the inexpensive ones to people who have cold spots in their larger rooms (rec rooms, basement, master bedroom) with good results, but if you think a 1500 watt 5000 BTU electric heater will keep any 1000 either square foot or cubic foot space a comfortable 70 degrees, you're dreaming, especially if the temp is below 40 degrees. Another thing that I doubt some of you would do to save $$$ on your electricity is to get used to the early morning cooler temps by wearing sweats. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. Design in an electric heater is everything. Stay warm everyone!! Please check with your Demand Response Aggregator for eligibility. A radiant barrier works best in the attic. Just picked one from trash. I was directed to 3 different 800 customer service numbers. Have i used them. I called the company so I could exchane it but I have to pay shipping. Answer: Virtually all electric space heaters at Amazon do the same heating job. Heat pump water heaters (HPWHs) operate in an entirely different way. For example, an oil based electric heaterit is convection only. So people, please pay attention to this post and others like it and don't fall victim to this Biotech/Eden pure scam. There are millions of happy customers who are telling their friends. Thanks. That claim of a 20,000 bulb life in an Edenpure heater is completely false. This heater will warm almost my entire upstairs, 1250 sq ft. Today, I had my central heat heat on 64 to try to save $$$ on my electricity. I'll definitely buy another. Get them sealed (don't use 'duct tape', go to a Home Depot or other type store or your htg and A/c dealer or service person and ask them what type sealing tape or other to seal the ductwork). I bought one several years ago and saved like at least 100. on my first electric bill. etc. THiS IS FOR JIMS COMMENT,IF U HAVE A HOT WATER HEATER THINK ABOUT WHAT UR SAYING IF THE WATER IS HOT U DONT NEED TO HEAT IT. In other words a fan force heater will heat a space faster and then turn off faster while a pure convection heater will take much longer. I was just about to order an edenpure heater. You can put a sheet of copper in front of your heater and buffer the heat with an electric heater. less per month power bill. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Don't buy Edenpure heater they are scammer. I did consider the possibility of buying one, but after reading your hub i re-read the brochure and realized that this was also extremely misleading without actually lying. The Air King 8132 1500 watt ceramic space heater covers areas up to 150 square feet. If you rent, I would go with the DuraFlame at half the price and monitor the use, wear sweats, socks, and you will not only save money, you will be warm enough and have lower bills.+. These systems the japanese use do not use ducts!!! Most water heaters include a label listing the annual. This means it produces 5118 BTU of heat. I have no complaints. I bet they will not stand behind the heater because you cannot get anyone to answer the phone and they just want you to give up. Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. He was telling the UPS lady that he could never contact anyone at the company and what a piece of overpriced junk it was. Yes if i needed a safe heater and had the right place for them. Bob Vila was dropped by Sears for problems with post job problems and costs associated. I don't care who it ripping me off if I am getting ripped off. Here are the facts - 1) Duct loss in a basement is not always a bad thing , if your basement is too cold you risk freezing pipes so if the temp. This may be because their previous forced-air system ductwork had or developed leaks, or something was wrong with air-flow on their system (clogged filters !!) PERIOD. My heating bill was $30 month versus $90 in kersosene and the side effects it left.I had to install a heavier wire to carry the amp's but it worked when I needed a heavier heater(1000)I think oil companies will do anything to keep you hooked,my dad(81)spent $800 for a couple months,got a few heaters and saved a bundle. Download PDF manuals for your EdenPURE product. Of course heat rises, but are any of you 8 feet tall to feel that it may be warmer at the ceiling?? EdenPURE claims stretch the truth. Even your oil or gas-fired furnace does not reduce oxygen because the combustion gasses that go up the chimney are replaced by air infiltration. And it is VERY safe. Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. These are the dimensions of a jail cell, not a room. If you have any questions with any of our products both before or after your purchase, please feel free to contact our customer service department at 1-877-432-8639. The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. Conventional water heaters use energyusually either gas or electricityto generate heat. They don't claim it will save you money. The machine shot out sparks. Any typical portable electric space heater of 1000-2000 W will produce exactly the same amount of heat as EdenPure. The most common type of heat pump is the air-source heat pump, which transfers heat between your house and the outside air. This can be an effective do-it-yourself project, just be careful doing so, or get someone experienced to help you. HOWEVERand this is where I have to now state after research of many heaters, this Gen4 costs .25 an hour to heat. The documents, purported to have been typed in the early 1970s, were likely produced many years later with a computer using Microsoft Word on default settings. If 1500W goes in, 5118 BTU comes out. F0r reference, 1000 hours is about 42 days of continuous run time. 4) Contrary to this article and many of its posts, the reason why infrared heaters have been so successful is not because of slick marketingprimarily it has been word of mouth. It didn't work so i sent it back to BIO RESEARCH in ohio. The laws of physics, which can't be changed, say they'll both do the same thing. I was told that they were still processing my order and that it would have been sent out this week (SURE). No complaints at all. We have found that if you turn the heater on and just leave it alone, it really does a great job. Now, if you doubt that I read that or that it can be true, the next one I copied and pasted for the guy who said 1500 watts is 1500 watts and will put out the same. Eden Pure is a scam because the details are hidden in clever word usage the average person, many of them on here I see, cannot grasp. I saw Bob Vila's very convincing infomercial and I agree that space heating rooms might be more efficient than a leaky whole-house system, and it does seem logical that one 1500 watt 5000 btu space heater shouldn't be any better than another, but I would be interested to know if any Eden Pure owners have actually found this second point to be true. Although electric heaters do heat a room, there are more energy efficient ways of doing that. This has been disputed. I have two Eden Pures in my home and they really work. It is an older model. Actually, when the Eden uses that copper coil to absorb the heat they're actually deceasing the efficiency of the heater. the first home I woned was a manufactured home, and I first used zone-heating to beat the cost of heating the outdoors through the leaky ducts (until I repaired them, of course !) The point that needs to be understood is that any type of room heater that you utilize to perform "zone heating" will save you money. About the same. Heat from any 1500 watt electric heater will cost you $35.60 for 1 million btus of heat if you are paying 12 cents a KWH. Bill Burkette, who was the original lead singer of American vocal group The Vogues, died Thursday at the age of 75.The group was formed in 1958 at the old Turtle Creek High School, calling . If you buy one of the cheapies to make do, your dollars are going out the window. turning you main source of heat down for the whole house and just warming up the areas you are in with the Eden Pure heater. The American Free Enterprise system only works if we work it. In Feb of 08 I had to order replacement bulbs, they cost $59.00 for the 1000. Baseboard heating provides far more uniform heat distribution. I also have a $39.99 portable oil radiator heater that I purchased from Lowes. Yes other heaters have safety cut off switches but there not much good if your sofa has set on fire because the fire was too close. Water Heater Installation & Repair Service. of insurance. ANY 1500 watt electric heater will give you the exact amount of heat, no matter how much, or how little you pay for it. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 08, 2011: Don, that is why I recommend buying through Amazon so you have their return policy protection. is way overpriced for what it does. Propane gas-burning fireplaces. So all the rest is just hype , Shame on Bob Vella. A space heater with a linear source of infrared radiant energy in heat exchange relationship with a heat exchanger formed of copper or aluminum material. The newer model 1000XL is still$59.00. It doesn't mater what's inside the box. "CBS Guard Documents Traced to Tex. The E.P. It costs me about $9.00 per day to heat my house with Propane. Also the heat is much nicer than baseboard heat- it feels warm and it stays comfortable. Save 80 percent off EdenPUREs cost by using a competitors brand. I am filing complaints against EdenPure ad commercials where I can, and working to get my mother's money back! Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 01, 2011: It looks like we are starting another season of the heater scam. where is the savings plus spending $900.00 on the units. Some people still can't get it. Have sent emails to their c/s area but they never respond. Keep up the good work EdenPURE! I will not call this a scam. P.S. I purchased several other type of quartz heaters for back up heating source. If your 40,000 btu furnace is 80% efficient, it is releasing into your house 32,000 btus WHEN IT IS RUNNING. When I pulled the heater out this winter nothing happened. What a fiasco-I will never purchase anything from Edenpure or anything associated with Bob Villa. up. Burkett's Heating & Cooling is a premier choice for professional HVAC services in Piqua and Sidney, OH, and surrounding areas. I am so glad I stumbled on this site first. 1st Lt. George W. Bush in uniform. EdenPure makes all these claims about saving money, but in their ad they say their $197 Personal heater will heat a room of 300 sq.