Next time? Glad the LORD has used them, to influence your life! I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. Note how Jerry Falwell Jr. and Liberty University no longer identify as fundamentalist, but as evangelical and note how this assertion is accepted, unquestioned, by other evangelicals. These other distinctions, distinctives and emphases all serve, in varying degrees, as proxies for that.). I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! One of my other professors did allow that saying shoot was okay, as she was used to people from Ohio saying it! None were ever convicted due to being men of god. And in a real and important sense you will always love them. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. This letter is in downloadable as a PDF here. BITE Model. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. Born Again Barbarian 48.1K subscribers Subscribe 252 15K views 5 years ago The practices of the IFB movement are only a few hundred. In response to an explosive investigation, top Southern Baptists have released a previously secret list of hundreds of pastors and other church-affiliated personnel accused of . People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. Thou waist. Faith alone. We were informed that the parishioners felt so strongly that they would protest in front of the Archdiocese for the return of their priest, he said. I guarantee you that most independent fundamentalist Baptists in this country are furious at the Star-Telegram today. They also typically teach that the translators of the . Where you write the rules. In surviving the worst, survivors of IFB have become the best. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. The person should go to the pastor, and the pastor will talk to the offender. Thou shalt not molest children, and if ye do thou shalt confess it to the pastor so he can hide it from the police and threaten the congregation into silence. The church was established in 1975 with a small band of seventy-five people. Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. The message is set. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. sigh Do you realize how offensive your words are to unbelievers; people who struggled and agonized over leaving Christianity? This series needs to be widely read but, unfortunately, the Star-Telegramsshort-sighted, inflexible paywall will prevent that from happening. Hed twice been a victim of attempted sexual misconduct in the church world. UGH!!!! Exempt this special report from your paywall. We will be far too busy with other concerns of self to think about the presence of others we might by then hope would be there with us. I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. The central role of white supremacy explicit and implicit in the independent fundamentalist Baptist movement deserves more study and more insight than I can easily provide. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. Zichterman recounts seeing an interview on television featuring Carolyn Jessop and realizing, for the first time, that the IFB was a cult. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. They insisted upon that ignoble facade despite the too-clear harm it was causing. Im saved now, right? And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. An Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Hate List Bruce Gerencser November 13, 2020 Evangelicalism 58 Comments The Bible says in 1 John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. Oh my. Why does Jesus need you to speak for him, Cathy? Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. After I graduated from that school I didnt wear a skirt for 2 years at my secular university! Oh, as a new convert attending an Adventist college, I actually said, heck or darn around one of the older teachers (40 years ago). You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gods-grace-bible-study-wi/support Truth Unbound with Walter Swaim 11h ago For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. I wondered how in the world that man could look at his wife much less have sex with her because why would you defile such a woman who looked so sheepish and innocent!! Rod Dreher is a senior editor atThe American Conservative. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. BTW, I went to Carolina Baptist College, Reidsville, NC, (Reidsville Baptist Church, Pastor Jerry Carter,) 1998-2002. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . For years people who have read the satire and parody on the Stuff Fundies Like blog have asked for someone write a companion that not only points out the problems in Baptist Fundamentalism but also . Much of this movement was a response to the so-called neo-evangelical movement. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. Although the decentralized nature of Protestantism makes statistics very hard to find, weve particularly found opportunities for abuse and cover-ups in three kinds of situations. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Image Conscious Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Thou shalt leave a tract in the restroom after thou hast used it. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors. I appreciate being asked to offer you guys a word of support, but you should be offering support to me and anyone else lucky enough to hear what you have to say. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. Independent Baptist Churches believe the following "Independent Baptist Distinctives": 1. 6.) The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. are now routinely included as simply evangelicals. Im not sure what this means, exactly, but I think it means something. It has been redacted and edited into the simplified 1611 King James Bible (its not a version, versions are of Satan). History of Landmarkism. * Maybe some can relate to this cartoon from NAKEDPASTOR. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. *, At Christianity Today, Kate Shellnut offers a short, helpful summary of the Star-Telegrams horrifying findings, along with some reporting on how the independent fundamentalist Baptist community is responding to its revelations (not well). For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. Many of you signed my Bibles. Are you saying God is a legalist? Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches Are MODERN Churches! For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Why? If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. That is their unforgiveable sin. There's something going on that wasn't here before. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. You trusted. For their own dark reasons they kept that wicked dance going. But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. When I joined the junior high youth group, they even gave me a Living Bible (the one with the cool denim cover and the stick-figure illustrations). Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. Trieber took his glasses off. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. If your reliably unreliable Comcast wifi cuts out, or if your screen-saver kicks in, the paywall will prevent you from finishing the article. A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. He speaks for God, and God alone may judge him. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series of reform facilities, known as Roloff Homes, for what he called, "parent-hating, Satan-worshiping, dope-taking immoral boys and girls," according to a 2000 investigative report in Texas And then theres the OTs 600+ laws, including the Ten Commandments. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. 3.) It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. They didn't sink deep enough. al. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. It was they who didn't truly commit to the truths upon which they claimed to be basing their lives. I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. I was never attacked by them, and to the best of my knowledge neither were my siblings. Generally speaking howe. The church shall pray for her to get right with her lord (and her pastor). Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress. We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. Thou shalt believe in pre-millennial rapture unless your pastor believes in post-millennial rapture. And hold him there until he is surrendered. SPECIAL: Prayer Changes Your Brain in 4 Amazing Ways 1. That will needs to be eliminated, since wherever human will is God's will cannot be. They didn't give over their will over to God. You know that I am Independent. One may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with their doctrines, church polity, and especially their . They didn't sacrifice who they were. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. You loved when the cost of that love was to negate the best parts of yourself. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: IFBs also generally believe that the will of a child must be broken before it ever has a chance to develop: a fussing or crying baby is exerting its selfish will. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! Never put him down and then allow him to get up. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. They kept what they needed. Grace alone. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. Biblical authority: the Bible is God's inspired Word and the final authority for what a person believes and practices. And while we only memorized verses in the King James Version and lots of them and used the KJV in Sunday services, we were also allowed and even encouraged to read the NIV and other more accessible translations. Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . At least three other teen girls would accuse Hyles of sexual misconduct, but he never faced charges or even sat for a police interview related to the accusations. Pastors think if they keep it on the down-low, it wont impact anyone. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Its a philosophy its flawed, said Stacey Shiflett, an independent fundamental Baptist pastor in Dundalk, Maryland. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. Going to the movies could also lead to you having a bad testimony before the world. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. You did what you were supposed to do: you sacrificed yourself. Part 2: Southern Baptist churches hired ministers accused of past sex offenses. However, after studying the Bible, I realized that it is about Gods love and grace, not keeping rules. Shellnut is also helpful in clarifying just who these independent fundamentalist Baptists are: Around 2.5 percent of Americans identify as independent Baptists, according to thePew Research Center more than belong to the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, or Episcopal and Anglican churches. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. It is also my desire that those who have become nonbelievers will respond with a yes to Jesus. Baptism: While some Christian faiths perform Baptism on infants, for Baptists this ritual is only performed after a person professes Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Perhaps the most well-known Independent Fundamentalist Baptists today are the Duggars, the quiverfull family made famous by the reality show19 Kids and Counting. All of us, Christians and atheists alike, have lists of rules by which we govern our lives, and often judge the lives of others. #1. May 27, 2011 -- Ernest Willis, a New Hampshire man accused of raping and fathering a child with a 15-year-old girl . . Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. So there is some good to the IFB movement. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess.". Thou shalt always obey the speed limit, EXCEPT when the Pastor says it is Gods will that thou shalt go 10-20 miles over the speed limit so as not to miss lunch at camp. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches that are not following the teachings of the New Testament. The co-founder, Paul Kingsbury, recently was forced to leave his position at North Love Baptist Church in Rockford, Ill., for his role in helping a sex . Don't hold it against me. Shame on you, sir. And the all important, Thou shalt not, never, under no circumstances, not even in thought, criticize the pastor. Gods anointed, remember! They try to control people and do evangelize. Ben Bogard (1868-1951) was its chief defender during his lifetime. They kept what worked for them. The network of churches and schools has often covered up the crimes and helped relocate the offenders, an eight-month Star-Telegram investigation has found. I grew up in a similar church. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. You brought all of yourself. Answer (1 of 2): The Fundamental Baptists that my Family and myself have been around varied wildly; some were more strict than others, while some were more lax with the rules they imposed on themselves and others. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. All of the above were part of the unwritten code at my Fundy church 40 years ago. Below are five beliefs that set apart Baptists from other Protestant Christians. My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. I am far from perfect. This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. You arent any different than those of us who have been where you are Cathy. Can LGBTQ people join your church, teach Sunday school, preach? Fundamental. Pastors of large churches and leaders of fundamentalist institutions such as Bob Jones, John R. Rice, and Jack Hyles still identified with the label fundamentalist. This movement was characterized by a staunch commitment to biblical orthodoxy filteredthrough the King James Bible, an adherence to second-degree separation or that idea that Christians must separate themselves frombothunbelievers (the world)andfellow conservative Protestants who did not separate sufficiently enough from unbelievers (Billy Graham and the rest of the neo-evangelicals fell into this second category), and a propensity for strong white preachers who ran independent congregations that were not accountable to denominations. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. A 2016 report on the university's handling of sexual assault found a "fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX." The report noted "that Baylor's efforts to implement Title IX were. You gave. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. What a list! I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. Of course not. It's you who are singing the songs that need to be heard. They kept what they wanted. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. For a sense of what this second-degree or double-separation means, think of Bob Jones dismissive definition of an evangelical: Someone who says to a liberal: Ill call you a Christian if you call me a scholar. My religious upbringing was pretty bizarre, but this stuff? The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. (1)"I put him on the "auto trash" list because he never offers anything that is edifying, or even Biblical, but just his snide remarks and liberal/protestant opinions!" (2) "You are not my brother. Much of what we think of as the religious right would fall into that murky space in between old-school fundamentalism and the mainstream evangelicalism of Billy Graham et. Yelling, storytelling, and moralism replaced proclaiming simply what God has said. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? A bit later, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it split away to join the GARB (the General Association of Regular Baptists no, really, thats a thing). By way of justifying infant "training" and the continued "submission of the will" of children, IFB parents point to these lines in The Book of Proverbs: "To Train Up a Child," by fundamentalist Christian minister Michael Pearl and his wife Debi, is very popular within the IFB. Those independent Baptist churches which teach, as very many of them do, that the God-given inspired word of God is the King James Version typically teach that every other translation of the Bible is part of a conspiracy to remove the King James Bible, the ONLY real Bible, from our churches. However, many of these churches have affiliations through theological colleges or pastoral friendships. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. The video posted on the church website ends. You're the power. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. (Not the liberal InterVarsity, mind you, Campus Crusade.). You showed up, ready to play. (Please note: if thou art truly right with God, the only acceptable team to pull for is Michigan State). Cat got his tongue? This guide to "consistently rewarding every transgression with a switching" (from the book's introduction) has sold more than 670,000 copies. Pastor Stacey Shiflett finally had enough: For Shiflett, the issue was personal. Independent Baptists are not part of any denominational organization, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. The Independent Baptist Fellowship is the end-product of the legacy journey that started some 60 years ago. It was an independent church, and it was fundamentalist, and Baptist, but it was not an IFB independent fundamentalist Baptist church. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. The Star-Telegram series is long, but I encourage you to read the whole thing. And out of that love you gave them the best of who you are to do with whatever they felt they needed to. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowships more common in the North as well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in the South Central Baptist Theological Seminary professor Kevin Baudertold Quick to Listenfor the CT podcasts explainer on such churches. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Your comments are welcome and appreciated. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. Other Christians who were once, or who would once have been, clearly a part of the fundamentalist camp Al Mohler, Ken Ham, David Barton, etc. Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up out of the water again. So, down through the centuries, the . Human nature is a destructive force. But these folks were seen as a little bit too much by most of the people in the church, whose kids got to choose places like Philadelphia College of the Bible or Northeastern Bible College. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member.